December 15 2001, Sat, 6:20pm
does anyone have any info??
I just heard about 10 really loud gunshots in
the vicinity of Sacramento and Ashby in South
Berkeley. Anyone know what the hell is up? My
neighbors are calling for their kids, getting
everyone inside because it sounds really close and
it keeps going on. There were at least 10 shots
over a period of 4 minutes.
December 15 2001, Sat, 7:29pm
If they're shooting at you, shoot back.
If they're shooting at each other, stay out of
December 15 2001, Sat, 7:36pm
I usually avoid talking about 'bad areas of
town' because so often people define those with
racist criteria, but my friend's mother got killed
near there about five years ago. I was once
standing in the window of a house on sacramento
not too far from Ashby at 1am and a police was
driving by, and he shined a flashlight up and
asked me to come out, and asked if I had heard
shots recently. Ashby and about King st. is
probably the center of drug trade related violence
in Berkeley presently. Things look different
during day and night. During the day it is just
the equivalent of a freeway with cars speeding
through town. I wouldn't want to be a little kid
at Malcolm elem school and have to deal #1 with
the constant fast, impatient traffic, and 2, some
of the hopeless people.
December 15 2001, Sat, 9:19pm
I heard it too, over a period of about 3
minutes. I was outside riding my bike up Acton
from near Sacramento to the grocery store.
It sounded like large caliber guns. I also
heard what sounded like the drone of one or more
airplanes. Sounded like at least two different
pitches of drone. It all sounded military...
December 15 2001, Sat, 9:33pm
What's that mean?
December 15 2001, Sat, 9:43pm
...the sound was a more of a "boom" than the
normal "pop" that is occasionally heard in this
neighborhood. It did not sound like typical
"ghetto" gunfire. It wasn't automatic weapons, it
wasn't sustained; but it did sound like a large
gun made it. Actually, it sounded like more than
one kind of large gun.
Also, I heard this stuff around 9:00pm, not
6:15 when the article was posted, so this was
possible a separate incident in the same area.
by nessie December
16 2001, Sun, 8:57am
Or maybe a .44 Mag?
A .45 makes a hellacious bang compared to the
.9mms that everybody likes these days, but a .44
Mag (Dirty Harry) sounds like little cannon going
off. It beats on your thumb like all hell, too.
Both pale next to .12 guage.
The reason I ask is I'm wondering if it was the
cops. They use .12 gauges sometimes.
There's a few .44 Mag carbines on the street,
too, so I hear. I've never heard one go off, but
it's safe to assume that if one was working
nearby, you would notice.
The .44 Mag revolver is pretty much useless for
combat. Life ain't the movies. It's a good back up
for bear hunters, but it kicks like a mule, so the
barrel climbs very high. It can’t be kept down. If
you miss on the first shot, he can double tap you
and put it away before you get your sight back
down on him. But a lot of young hoodlums don't
know this. They saw Dirty Harry and think you can
fight with one of these things. Boy, are they in
for a surprise.
Maybe that's what you heard. It's not just
louder than a nine, it's deeper and fuller a
sound. What was the pitch of the thing that you
A .357 Mag is pretty loud, too, but not like a
.44 or a .12. It's higher pitched, too.
Cops tend to use nines or .38 Specials, which
are pretty similar. Some forces leave it up to the
individual. Other forces dictate. I’m not sure
Some cops use .357 Mags. Personally, I feel
that this is extremely irresponsible in an urban
setting, because of their propensity for over
Blasting away with a .12 guage isn’t
responsible, either, unless it’s loaded with bird
shot. The thing about birdshot is it only works at
very close range. Cops tend to avoid close range
whenever they can. That means buckshot. The thing
about buckshot is that out past, oh say, 75 yards,
it goes pretty much all over the place. This can
be very rough on innocent bystanders.
Personally, I think cops should be armed with
big whistles. If people choose to ignore them, so
be it. If somebody is trying to kill you, forget
the cops anyway. By the time they finish their
donuts and get in the car, the incident will have
December 16 2001, Sun, 5:42pm
the word is that it was the survival research
labs show by or near the Crucible studio on Murray
street. They do something involving robots that
shoot off cannons and spit flame and eat 2x4s.
dan h December 16 2001, Sun, 5:54pm
I don't think it was the SRL show, first
post on this page was at 6pm, SRL show
from 8pm to 9pm, and it was several
away from Ashby & Sacramento,
it was at
the intersection of Hollis and Ashby,
OSH hardware. They were running a
makes a very loud booming noise,
cannon, but the blast and sound wave
directed at one spot, and it's a big muffled
boom, it doesn't sound like a gunshot at all.
The cannon shoots about once every 2 minutes,
so you would have heard a boom, every couple
of minutes at regular intervals, doesn't sound
like a gun battle.
by anonymous coward
December 16 2001, Sun, 6:05pm
it was the Extra Action Marching Band!
December 17 2001, Mon, 9:17am
The sounds I heard around 9 were not actually
at Ashby and Sacto, they were near Ashby, but
definitely west of Sacto. It sounded like it was
between Sacto and San P, but it could have been at
Crucible's space, now that I consider that
I'm guessing I heard some sort of "grand
finale". A bunch of different robots/loud things,
along with one or more cannons. In fact, when I
heard it, I thought I was hearing mortar fire,
which is probably what an "air cannon" sounds
like. I was definitely scared, whatever the